Rihanna Kibbe ‘Body Type’: Why She’s NOT a Theatrical Romantic

If you’re wondering what’s Rihanna Kibbe image identity this post will explain why she’s not a Theatrical Romantic

What is Rihanna’s Kibbe ‘body type’? Understanding why she’s not a Theatrical Romantic can help you understand your own image ID better.

Note: I’m not a Kibbe expert (only David Kibbe is – he doesn’t offer certifications or authorizations for anyone to practice his method). I’m a humble learner with a passion for sharing useful information. I follow only David Kibbe’s teachings and find them valuable.

Kibbe’s Metamorphosis isn’t about ‘body types’ – it’s about image identities. This post is for those who are researching Kibbe system and want to know whether Rihanna is an example of a Theatrical Romantic (TR). There’s been a lot of information about Rihanna being typed as Kibbe TR – she’s used as an example of TR and her features are being analyzed as TR, allegedly relying on that David Kibbe himself typed her a TR.

A few words on celebrity typings here: they aren’t helpful as much as many YouTubers and bloggers would make you believe. Celebrities often lie about their height and measurements, not to mention the amount of plastic surgery they’re having. Even if Kibbe typed Rihanna as a TR, it means he was unaware of how she looks like in real life – that’s all. David Kibbe never recommends using celebrity image IDs as reliable source of infomation.

Celebrity image ID identification is fun unless you compare yourself to them. The real question you need to find an answer to is not how many A’s or D’s you got answering the Kibbe quiz, but your place on the Yin-Yang scale. To do that, I consider the quiz still valuable for understanding what Yin and Yang features are, but focusing on the quiz probably won’t give you all the answers.

I made a whole post about Yin and Yang meaning in Kibbe that explains why it doesn’t mean masculine vs feminine and how to differentiate between Yin and Yang.

So why can’t Rihanna be a TR?

This all starts with height – she’s simply too tall to be a TR. TR are on the Yin-prevalent side of the Yin-Yang spectrum and, as you probably know, Yin means softness, roundness, and shortness. Self-proclaimed Kibbe ‘experts’ would probably tell you quoting Kibbe’s Metamorphosis book that ‘one feature shouldn’t throw off your image ID’ and this quote truly exists, however NOT in relation to height. I’ll explain why not.

Think about a tall person. Tallness in Kibbe = Yang. Let’s take Taylor Swift (who, in fact, is a pure Dramatic). She’s 178cm tall (5’11”). Tallness means having a lot of other Yang features. Can she have such height and then short arms and legs, small and delicate hands and feet, short flesh on upper arms and thighs, etc? Certainly not – her limbs will be proportionate to her body length, same as her arms and feet and flesh on her bones. This comes naturally because a human body isn’t a math formula (or body geometry) to have a mixture of features that don’t belong to one another. So along with tallness a person gets a great deal of Yang.

David Kibbe is very clear on the overall bone structure of TR, saying that it’s  ‘Small and delicate. Slightly sharp edges (shoulders, jawline, cheekbones, or nose). Small hands and feet (in proportion to height). Facial bones are small, delicate, and slightly sharp‘. I’m quoting his book, which I still consider a legitimate source for overall guidance to his system, even though he’s changed his system quite a bit since it was published.

Now let’s take a look at what Kibbe says a TR will not be:

  • be extremely tall
  • have large or wide bones
  • have large hands and feet
  • have extremely prominent facial bones or features
  • have small, narrow eyes, and thin or straight lips
  • have a boyishly straight figure devoid of a defined waist

Rihanna is reportedly 173cm tall (5’8”) – that’s considerably more than 5’5” that Kibbe says is the approximate height limit for TR image ID.

What do we have? A tall Rihanna (in many regions of the world she’d even be considered very tall), with a long gorgeous vertical line, with a lot of Yang in her, but at the same time she has a bit of Yin which is obvious – soft lips and cheeks, a bit wide and rounded nose, etc. Her eyes are more narrow than round, they are exotic and prominent. Her waist isn’t completely straight, but it isn’t very defined either (see images below):

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Her hands and feet are proportionate to her height and bone structure – elongated and a bit wide:

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The truth is in the pudding, my friends: Rihanna isn’t a TR, because she’s everything that Kibbe says a TR won’t be. If we’re analyzing her following Kibbe, then she isn’t a TR. If she’s called by someone a TR, this has no relation to Kibbe at all.

So what Image ID does Rihanna belong to? 

That’s a question that only Rihanna herself and David Kibbe would be able to answer with 100% confidence. Kibbe’s system is designed so that every person can determine their image ID themselves.

In Kibbe’s system, people with moderate height or short height can have a long vertical. However, being tall automatically means having a long vertical, meaning that Rihanna could belong to the ‘tall’ image IDs like Flamboyant Natural, Dramatic, or Soft Dramatic.

In my opinion, saying that Rihanna is a TR is ridiculous if you’ve seen her real unedited pictures or seen her on stage (even on videos). Her Yin-Yang balance contains a lot of Yang – way too much to put her in TR image ID. To make her, for instance, a Soft Dramatic – maybe, but never a TR. If anyone tells you otherwise, they have no clue about what Kibbe’s Yin and Yang are all about. Take a look at her in the pink outfit above – the thin soft fabric and soft gathers just look not enough for her, because it doesn’t correspond with her natural Yin-Yang balance. 

Hopefully this post will further clarify Yin and Yang for you as well as remove one serious misconception about Kibbe’s system.

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More on Kibbe image IDs:

Soft Gamine vs Theatrical Romantic in Kibbe System w/Examples

How I actually use Kibbe’s system w/examples

How I got to know & love Kibbe’s Metamorphosis: My story (feat. ‘Soft Gamine syndrome’)

Meaning of Yin and Yang in Kibbe theory

5 Reasons why you struggle to find your image identity in Kibbe’s system

Height in Kibbe: why Taylor Swift, Lily Cole, and Zendaya aren’t Gamine

What Kibbe gets right and the ‘fruit body types’ get wrong

The philosophy in Kibbe’s system

Author: Alexandra @YouAndMeAndCupOfCoffee.com

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9 thoughts on “Rihanna Kibbe ‘Body Type’: Why She’s NOT a Theatrical Romantic”

  1. Rihanna is on his verified list of celebrities as a Theatrical Romantic. He said that her height is reported as being much taller than she actually is. Just check his FB Group.

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    1. Thank you for commenting! I’ve addressed this point in the post – about that Rihanna is on his list, however I also explained why I stand for Kibbe’s statement that guessing celebrity image IDs is nothing but a ‘parlour game’. In case of Rihanna and her height as well as her overall body line, I’d suggest you check out any of her live performances, desirably alongside other celebrities. For instance, here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VnQ8tZosP0 she signs alongside Britney Spears, who’s a SN and reportedly 163cm – you see that Riri is so much taller than Britney. I’d never publish a post without verifying every detail and every fact. The only two sources I trust are David Kibbe’s teachings (through the FB group) as well as blog of one of the group’s admins Style Syntax. I checked the posts by Style Syntax before posting this and coincidentally found that she mentioned Rihanna too, check 3rd paragraph here http://stylesyntax.com/blog/2019/11/28/does-david-kibbe-contradict-himself/
      My motivation for publishing this post, as I’ve mentioned in the post and I’m sure you’ve read it, was that I saw many videos comparing Riri to Halle Berry as TR vs SG, which I found extremely confusing for Rihanna’s body line and Yin-Yang balance is WAY off the TR image ID ‘recipe’. Hope it answers your concerns! Have an awesome day ahead!

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  2. I can see where you’re coming from but I still think Rihanna is a theatrical romantic. I think it would be more accurate to compare people within the same race and ethnic groups. People of the African diaspora tend to have more yang features and for someone who is of African descent she has a more delicate features. I saw you compared Halle Berry but she is African American while Rihanna is Caribbean and their features are usually very different.

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    1. Thank you for your comment – you’ve brought an excellent point up! Let me address everything in order.
      Firstly, I’ve never compared RiRi to Halle Berry – why would I do that if I already see a flaw in the video’s representation and analysis of Kibbe system and these women’s features? I merely mentioned that they got compared in some YouTube video and it struck me as unbelievable that someone would make such a comparison at all, and it motivated me to write this post.
      Second and MOST IMPORTANT: in Kibbe system, you shouldn’t compare anyone to anyone else. The whole point of the system is to determine each individual’s place on the Yin-Yang scale and this then becomes the basis for building a wardrobe, creating outfits, etc.
      Third: Kibbe is as universal as it gets and it’s true that some regions or ethnic groups will have more people in specific categories due to maybe being taller or shorter or the bone structure. If you check the data on the average female height in the Caribbean (as you suggest it’s important to ‘measure’ Rihanna to) then you’d see that it’s 15cm SHORTER than our gal Riri – 159cm (see data here). It simply shows that even in her ethnic group Rihanna is on the taller side. As for ‘delicate’ features I simply refuse to dwell on such an offensive argument and even the idea of that some ethnicities have generally more ‘delicate’ features than others is an ignorant generalization that diminishes whole ethnic groups, refutes the idea that every type of feminine beauty is equally valid and can be proud of it. The myths about Theatrical Romantic and Soft Dramatic being the most feminine image IDs are making women desire to be in those categories and think less of their own beauty. The idea that some image IDs are more feminine than others makes women in other categories feel that they aren’t ‘enough’ to be feminine because they aren’t delicate or hourglass or something… I’d never agree with any generalization like this. Once again, I completely reject the idea of comparing anyone to anyone else in Kibbe – it’s simply preposterous and goes against the whole Kibbe system that celebrates individuality and unique beauty of everyone. I’ll stand by that 100% of the time because I see real value there. I see only negative value in generalizing whole etnic groups like that, in trying to promote these myths, in trying to squeeze beautifully tall people into image IDs that celebrate petiteness among many other things!
      The image identities will never be all equally represented in each region or ethnic group and that’s the whole point – celebrating YOUR unique beauty and not comparing yourself to others (be it other people in your region/ethnic group or celebs). And a practical question: if the assumption that everyone’s descent should be taken into account while determining the image ID, how would you do it with someone 50:50 Caribbean and African descent? I’m not even talking about people of very mixed descent and ALL the possible genotypes and ethnicities.
      In my opinion, the beauty of Kibbe’s method is that it can be applied to everyone and it’s equally easy for everyone – it doesn’t discriminate or makes it harder for someone just because of their descent (this would be borderline discrimination from where I stand because everyone should be given equal opportunities here, equal resources, and equal access to the value that any system provides!).
      Another important point in Kibbe is not focusing on each feature in particular, but learning to the body as a whole – this is what I’ve learned from Kibbe’s method and it makes all the sense in the world.
      Finally, I’m not trying to change anyone’s mind! My goal is simply to clarify an obvious error that prevents people from using Kibbe’s system correctly. If a person promotes the ideas of tall Soft Gamines or tall Theatrical Romantics, it is clear as day that they don’t understand the basic concepts of Kibbe’s system. I comment exclusively is Kibbe’s system as he explains it – not anyone else’s ‘version’ of Kibbe’s system. I believe Kibbe’s system works only if you understand the Yin and Yang, otherwise it doesn’t function. Being tall as Rihanna automatically makes a person Yang-dominated, while Theatrical Romantics are Yin-dominated with a slight Yang undercurrent. To see this, you need merely to look at celebs who are on the list as TR – Susan Slavin, Jean Harlow, Vivien Leigh – and think what they have in common (the best would be to see them in film – in motion instead of still images). That’s the delicateness that has to do with being TR, their petiteness and roundness with a tiny bit of sharpness.
      And one more thing I’d like to mention: if you would like to learn about the true Kibbe system I am referring to, then I’d suggest joining Strictly Kibbe Facebook group – I’ve heard an overwhelmingly positive feedback about learning from David Kibbe himself (and for free btw).

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      1. Thank you. I’m West African and kind of still trying to understand the whole Kibbe system. People tend to type the features that any black person has as more yang, and Rihanna is one of the only people I saw that was typed on the yin side. I thought it was almost impossible for her to be anything but a theatrical romantic. and I haven’t seen too many examples of them who are black. I’m a teenager and I’m not allowed to have social media, so I’ve relied on blogs and youtube videos to understand Kibbe’s system. This really interests me so I’ll make sure to look at the Facebook group when I’m allowed to get Facebook. Also, I’m sorry that I was so quick to say that you were wrong. I get too defensive whenever anyone says anything about black people that deals with femininity because I’ve been told I can’t be feminine my whole life.

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      2. Thank you very much for commenting – I appreciate it a lot! I wasn’t offended by your comment at all – please don’t worry about it! I know that the majority of the info online (especially YouTube) is simply not what Kibbe’s system stands for, so this is truly the main motivation for me to write these posts. I think only the true Kibbe’s system can bring value to people – not those fake self-proclaimed ‘experts’ who charge for typings by photos or create videos about ‘makeup for X type’ – this is simply exploitation of his name.
        Feeling defensive is a completely normal reaction, especially if you’ve encountered vile people who had the nerve to tell you that black women can’t be feminine (as I’m writing this, I literally feel my hands shaking with anger). I hope my long response to your comment shed some light on the use of Kibbe’s system as a whole for you. The key thing about Kibbe’s system is that it celebrates femininity in general, while different image IDs reflect different kinds of feminity. I’ve noticed that Yin in Kibbe is often wrongly associated with feminine and Yang with masculine (I wrote about it in my post about the meaning of Yin and Yang in Kibbe), so truly many women subconsiously want to be those Yin-dominated types. This is where the my main issue with these ‘experts’ lies – their wrong ideas make women feel somehow mad about themselves and I wholeheartedly hate it. Like the society and other people don’t bring us down enough – now let’s say that freaking almost all women are masculine, so that they would feel even worse about themselves! But in Kibbe, Yin simply stands for roundness and Yang for angularity – not feminine vs masculine (I don’t know who started this myth, but I’d gladly slap that person, all dramatic movie-like style 😂).
        As for linking ethnicity and Yin/Yang balance, off the top of my head I can give several examples: Jada Pinkett-Smith – she’s 1.52m tall and quite Yin-dominant, Viola Davis also looks Yin-dominant (at least from pictures), and the gorgeous Dorothy Dandridge with quite a lot of Yin too. So there’s no other way to apply Kibbe’s system to anyone except for just focusing on the features of every individual person.
        I think the real power is to accept and love what we have – it brings confidence in being a woman. I feel like Theatrical Romantic is often considered the most feminine or something (same as Soft Dramatic) – this is simply proposterous and not true. I think the most feminine thing is self-acceptance and confidence, being comfortable in your own skin as a woman – not the body shape or measurements. I also think femininity comes in different shapes and forms – for some it’s dressing in a traditionally feminine outfits, for some it’s being nurturing, for some it’s being flirty, for some it’s competing in sports, for some it’s collecting vintage things. But the truth is that it’s never the same for everyone and every woman can (and should) embrace her feminity in her own way. For instance, I adore Rihanna and I think that her experiments with style and the way she carries herself is feminine. I also adore Dita Von Teese (I even made a post about her), her polished style, and the way she carries herself in an elegant yet confident way. For sure these women have one important thing in common – they both embrace their womanhood and they both are comfortable in their own skin, despite that they are so different. Truly, every woman is free to express her femininity the way she wants and every woman has the right to do it. To me, saying that femininity depends on skin color is like the new low and a form of racism. Such people don’t deserve to be listened to or paid attention to – their words are noise that has to be ignored. It’s easier said than done for sure, given all the stereotypes that are being forced on women, but in the long run very much worth the effort. I think that’s what Whitney Houston was singing about in her iconic song ‘I’m Every Woman’ – about that every woman is so different, but we all have that treasure of being feminine, embracing who we are.
        As always, my response is longer than the original post, but I hope I answered your comment to the full. I have a lot of ideas to write about, because the issue of femininity hits home. Thank you for subscribing to my blog and have an awesome day ahead ❤️

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    2. Really? African American women tend to be 5’3″ on average vs White American women 5’5″ according to wiki. So African American women are actually more petite = more yin. I wouldn’t agree that women of African descent have more “coarse” vs “delicate” features either. They have such a varied range of facial features that covers each and every possibility. I think you might be holding on to some old stereotype there. If you want to see Rhianna in concert with other singers like Beyonce (reportedly 5’5″), and Fergie (5’2.5″) she indeed looks to be at least 5’7″ here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBJxmEVqZ40

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  3. …about TR’s height… Rita Hayworth was 5’6” or 168cm, Hedy Lamarr was 5’7” or 170cm and Jaclyn Smith is 5’7” or 170cm 😉 so Rihanna is not too tall to be a TR.

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    1. This is exactly the kind of approach that doesn’t withstand any criticism. Here’s why:
      1. Every theory, even in exact sciences like math, has exceptions. We can’t expect Kibbe system to not have any exceptions because human body shape can’t be put into boxes like math formulas can. If we’d accept this approach of yours, we could say that since Mae West is a verified SD, then any very petite woman can be a SD, which would mean ignoring all the Yin-Yang basic rules of the system. The system works perfecty in most cases and there can be exceptions, but understanding the system is a prioroty to nitpicking celebrity examples.
      2. About Jaclyn Smith: I know for a fact that several years ago David Kibbe stated that she could be a SD upon further examination. SD and TR are, in a way, easy to confuse if you don’t know how tall a person is. The bones are narrow, yet the shape is hourglass. I highlighted all the facts in the post, no need to repeat here. A TR CAN’T be tall, but SD can and usually is – that’s where SD get their extra Yang. Have you ever wondered if, maybe, David Kibbe was mislead about celebrity heights? David Kibbe refuses to ‘type’ celebrities because he needs to see them in person to tell. The celebrities in the verified list were for provided to demonstrate the points of the system, but in some cases the actresses in the list weren’t even alive at the time when the book was written. As for Rihanna, David Kibbe suggested she might be a TR because he believed she was 5’4” – not because he knew she was 5’8” and still said she could be a TR!! As far as I understand, David Kibbe is busy working with actual clients in person, unlike fake ‘experts’ who type by pictures for a fee – not guessing celebrity image identities.
      3. Did you know that Natalie Wood in the book is listed as a SN, which was simply a typo? Natalie Wood was actually a SG, while it was supposed to be Lana Wood in the SN list. Typos and mistakes exist, so I do my best to verify the information when in doubt. I think there’s no way Rihanna is a TR and I offer a set of facts to support my claim. I did th research myself – not simply Googled her height and then heights of a couple other celebrities.
      4. Finally and MOST IMPORTANTLY. Nitpicking the verified celebrity examples instead of trying to understand the system itself is shooting yourself in the foot. The real fact is that it DOESN’T MATTER what image identity any celebrity has. The real value of Kibbe system is being able to apply it in real life by learning its principles. which aren’t that hard at all.
      Everyone can nitpick the verified celebrity list for days on end, but is it truly helpful or reliable? I think using examples is good to demonstrate points of the system, but nothing more.
      😉 everyone can Google celebrity heights and try to refute the whole system simply by nitpicking. Another question is: does it really bring anyone any value? I rest my case.

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